Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

02/02/2006 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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08:09:49 AM Start
08:10:06 AM Department of Commerce, Community, & Economic Development
08:45:29 AM HCR5
09:30:52 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Confirmation Hearing TELECONFERENCED
Commissioner - Commerce, Community &
Economic Development
*+ HCR 5 FLUORIDATION TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
HCR  5-FLUORIDATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:45:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION NO.  5, Relating  to support  of                                                               
community water fluoridation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:45:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL SEATON, Alaska  State Legislature, sponsor of                                                               
HCR  5,  related  that  HCR   5  would  support  community  water                                                               
fluoridation, which is  important to the health of  Alaskans.  He                                                               
informed the  committee that Alaska  cities with a  population in                                                               
excess  of   30,000  have  fluoridated   water.     Fluoride,  he                                                               
highlighted,  has  been  identified   as  an  effective  tool  in                                                               
addressing dental  disease.  Therefore, HCR  5 merely illustrates                                                               
that  the  legislature  recognizes the  importance  of  community                                                               
fluoridation and that all new  village safe water projects should                                                               
design water systems  such that fluoridation can  be utilized, if                                                               
the community chooses to do so.   The committee packet, he noted,                                                               
includes  letters  of support,  including  the  letters from  the                                                               
Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium and various dentists.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:49:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA recalled learning  that life span is linked                                                               
to the presence of teeth.   She also recalled that the clinics in                                                               
the  Aleutians  related  to  her  that  the  largest  reason  for                                                               
Medivacs  were  related  to  dental  problems.    Therefore,  she                                                               
inquired  as to  whether  there are  any  studies specifying  the                                                               
costs related to not taking care of teeth.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   indicated  that  the   committee  packet                                                               
includes a number  of studies, including one  that specifies that                                                               
for  every dollar  spent on  fluoridation,  approximately $37  in                                                               
medical costs would be saved.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:50:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON,  in response to Co-Chair  Olson, said that                                                               
he has  received little opposition  and what opposition  that was                                                               
received has been included in the committee packet.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:52:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TROY  RITTER,  Senior  Environmental  Health  Consultant,  Alaska                                                               
Native Tribal  Health Consortium (ANTHC), informed  the committee                                                               
that  his  expertise  is  really  in  relation  to  the  cost  of                                                               
implementing  the  fluoride.     He  related  that  to  implement                                                               
fluoride  it costs  approximately  $1 per  person  per year,  and                                                               
therefore  most communities  can be  fluoridated for  a year  for                                                               
what  filing  one  cavity  would  cost.    He  characterized  the                                                               
aforementioned as a fairly good  return, although he acknowledged                                                               
that there  are very  few public  health interventions  that save                                                               
more money than they cost.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:53:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  asked if  the  fluoridation  system is  a                                                               
simple injection  system.  He  related his understanding  that it                                                               
requires minimal infrastructure.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITTER  replied yes.  He  noted that the delivery  system for                                                               
fluoride is  similar to that  used for  chlorine.  He  noted that                                                               
from an operation and maintenance  standpoint, fluoride is easier                                                               
to deliver  than chlorine because fluoride  is chemically stable.                                                               
In  further   response  to  Representative  Neuman,   Mr.  Ritter                                                               
explained that  the type  of fluoride injected  [in Alaska]  is a                                                               
powder form.   He related the basic principle  of toxicology that                                                               
the  dose  makes   the  poison.    Therefore,   operators  use  a                                                               
respirator that  is similar to a  dust mask.  There  haven't been                                                               
any problems experienced with the operators, he said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:55:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA returned to her  concern with regard to the                                                               
costs  of dental  problems, and  requested information  regarding                                                               
the total cost of not taking care of dental needs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITTER, from the best  studies available and from his Alaska-                                                               
specific  observations,  related   his  belief  that  fluoridated                                                               
communities probably reduce dental disease by about 40 percent.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:57:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RITTER,  turning to  his  prepared  testimony, informed  the                                                               
committee  that  he  has worked  within  Alaska's  tribal  health                                                               
system for the last seven years.   He also informed the committee                                                               
that ANTHC is the largest  health organization managed by a tribe                                                               
in the  nation.   The ANTHC  works with  its partners  to deliver                                                               
comprehensive health services.   Mr. Ritter specified  that he is                                                               
responsible for  ensuring that his division's  activities provide                                                               
maximum health benefits.  Therefore,  ANTHC strongly supports HCR
5.   He highlighted that  HCR 5 doesn't require  fluoridation and                                                               
helps to align state, tribal,  and federal efforts with regard to                                                               
this issue.   Mr. Ritter  opined that fluoridation  has sometimes                                                               
been   the  subject   of  misunderstanding   and  misinformation.                                                               
However, in  the mainstream health and  public health communities                                                               
there  is no  controversy  surrounding  fluoridation, he  further                                                               
opined.   Therefore, passage of  HCR 5  would allow the  state to                                                               
say that  it relies on  credible, science-based  information when                                                               
making  health  decisions.   Mr.  Ritter  acknowledged  that  not                                                               
everyone  agrees  on fluoridation,  but  he  expressed hope  that                                                               
those  communities that  choose to  fluoride should  receive [the                                                               
state's] best efforts  to keep [the residents]  healthy and safe.                                                               
In  conclusion,  Mr. Ritter  characterized  HCR  5 as  a  win-win                                                               
situation  in which  public health  professionals are  provided a                                                               
tool  to   provide  safer   and  healthier   communities  without                                                               
negatively impacting another area.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:00:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR HANSEN, retired  dentist, noted that he has  worked in the                                                               
villages.   He related his support  of HCR 5, and  indicated that                                                               
fluoridation is the least expensive  way in which to reduce decay                                                               
and dental problems.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:01:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM   MARLEY,  retired   dentist;  Representative,   Fluoride                                                               
Committee,  Alaska Dental  Society, informed  the committee  that                                                               
the American  Dental Association  (ADA) publishes a  booklet with                                                               
fluoride  facts,  in  which  it  cites  over  358  references  to                                                               
scientific  studies   supporting  the  safety  and   efficacy  of                                                               
fluoridating community water supplies.   He related that fluoride                                                               
is endorsed  by the  Alaska Dental Society,  the ADA,  the Center                                                               
for Disease  Control, the American Medical  Association, the U.S.                                                               
Surgeon  General, the  National Institute  of Cranial  and Facial                                                               
Research,  and   over  100   other  national   and  international                                                               
associations dealing  with water and  health.  Dr.  Marley stated                                                               
that  fluoride has  been found  to  be both  safe and  effective.                                                               
With regard to  cost effectiveness, he related that  for every $1                                                               
invested [the state would] receive $18 in return.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MARLEY  highlighted  that  fluoride has  over  60  years  of                                                               
experience  in  the  U.S.  and   millions  of  years  of  natural                                                               
existence.    In 1992  Alaska  had  120 communities  fluoridating                                                               
their water,  but that  has decreased to  37 communities  at this                                                               
point.   He then pointed  out that Article  7, Section 4,  of the                                                               
Alaska State  Constitution specifies  that the  legislature shall                                                               
provide for  the promotion and  protection of the  public health.                                                               
Therefore, HCR 5 would be  consistent with the constitution while                                                               
providing  leadership and  reducing  the rate  of  decay and  the                                                               
number of dentists that are needed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:08:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  inquired as to  why there has been  such a                                                               
decrease in the communities that provide fluoridation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. MARLEY said he couldn't answer.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:08:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM  TOWLE, Executive  Director,  Alaska  Dental Society,  stated                                                               
that the  Alaska Dental Society supports  HCR 5.  He  pointed out                                                               
that  tooth  decay is  a  chronic  disease  and the  most  common                                                               
chronic disease  in children.   He  echoed Dr.  Marley's comments                                                               
regarding the history of fluoride,  which is naturally occurring.                                                               
Mr.  Towle  emphasized that  community  water  fluoridation is  a                                                               
public health measure  that benefits individuals of  all ages and                                                               
socio-economic groups.   From the information he  has, he related                                                               
that the  average cost to  fluoridate a community is  around $.50                                                               
per person  with the  annual average per  person cost  being less                                                               
than one-third  of the cost  of an average dental  restoration or                                                               
filling  of a  cavity.   Mr.  Towle informed  the committee  that                                                               
there are  over 225 current peer-reviewed  studies that recognize                                                               
the  benefit of  community water  fluoridation.   In 2004  Alaska                                                               
spent  $19.3 million  for  Medicaid and  Denali  Kid Care  dental                                                               
care, he mentioned.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:11:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TOWLE,  in  response  to Representative  Cissna,  agreed  to                                                               
supply the committee with the overall dental costs of the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:12:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHELLEY HUGHES, Policy Analyst,  Alaska Primary Care Association,                                                               
related the  association's support for  HCR 5.  She  related that                                                               
the Alaska  Primary Care Association, which  represents 24 health                                                               
organizations throughout the  state, recognizes that fluoridation                                                               
does  benefit  the  health  of   residents.    She  concluded  by                                                               
emphasizing  that  HCR  5  would  be  a  positive  step  for  the                                                               
betterment of the health of Alaskans.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:13:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  BORNSTEIN,  Director,   Dental  Services,  Southeast  Alaska                                                               
Regional Health  Consortium (SEARHC), related his  support of HCR
5 for all the reasons stated earlier.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:14:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS inquired  as to why the decrease  in the villages                                                               
fluoridating their water.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORNSTEIN  explained that  in  1992  there was  an  overfeed                                                               
incident in a  fluoride system in Hooper Bay.   This tragic event                                                               
resulted in  a review that determined  one of the issues  was the                                                               
inadequate  monitoring   of  the  village  water   system.    The                                                               
aforementioned   caused    the   Department    of   Environmental                                                               
Conservation (DEC)  to promulgate new regulations  concerning the                                                               
use of  fluoride.  Therefore,  some of the communities  that were                                                               
just barely  able to comply  with the current  water fluoridation                                                               
rules  were unable  to meet  the new  standards, which  were more                                                               
stringent.   Thus, many  of the  fluoridation systems  were taken                                                               
off-line.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:16:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  inquired as to  what happens to those  who drink                                                               
water that has too much fluoride.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORNSTEIN  confirmed  that   over  fluoridation  results  in                                                               
sickness.   However,  he pointed  out that  it takes  many times,                                                               
about 50 times  the recommended dose over a brief  period of time                                                               
before  there is  an  acute  effect.   A  chronic overfeed  would                                                               
result in  mottled teeth.   He related his understanding  that in                                                               
the  Hooper  Bay  incident  an individual  who  was  sick  became                                                               
dehydrated and was told to drink  lots of water.  That individual                                                               
ended up with  100 times the dose of fluoride  and the individual                                                               
ultimately  died.   He characterized  the  incident as  extremely                                                               
rare.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:17:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  expressed  the  need to  include  in  the                                                               
funding for these systems a training component.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORNSTEIN  related that the  implementation of  these systems                                                               
require a  level of training  and monitoring as specified  in the                                                               
regulations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:19:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON  inquired as  to what  causes the  spots on                                                               
the teeth  of younger kids in  Fort Yukon where the  water became                                                               
fluoridated in the 1970s.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORNSTEIN  answered that over  exposure to fluoride,  that is                                                               
beyond    the    proper    dose,     can    result    in    white                                                               
spots/decalcification on the  teeth.  White spots/decalcification                                                               
can  also occur  prior to  decay.   Therefore, he  said that  one                                                               
would need to review the specific case to make a determination.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:22:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRAD WHISTLER,  Dental Officer, Department  of Health  and Social                                                               
Services  (DHSS), related  that DHSS  is supportive  of community                                                               
water  fluoridation, which  has  a long-standing  history in  the                                                               
U.S.   With regard to  the white  spots, he reiterated  that it's                                                               
not always  attributed to over  fluoridation.  In fact,  in terms                                                               
of fluoride, he  attributed the white spots  mainly to swallowing                                                               
toothpaste,  particularly  with  young  children.    Furthermore,                                                               
amoxicillin  may also  discolor  teeth.   The  studies that  have                                                               
reviewed  long-term  controls   infrequently  report  that  water                                                               
fluoridation results [in white spots].                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHISTLER  then turned to  the costs related  to fluoridation.                                                               
He informed  the committee that Alaska  would probably experience                                                               
savings between $37 and $140.   With regard to total dental costs                                                               
in  Alaska, he  said he  didn't know  of a  source from  which to                                                               
obtain  that figure.   He  agreed that  there is  a training  and                                                               
capacity issue in rural areas.   He also agreed that at very high                                                               
doses, fluoride isn't  good for individuals and thus  it needs to                                                               
be  done  in  a  safe  manner and  monitored.    This  resolution                                                               
recognizes that  if fluoride  is delivered  properly, substantial                                                               
savings can be reaped in terms of dental costs, he said.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:27:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  recalled that when  he ran a  water system                                                               
monthly samples were  sent to an engineer and the  content of the                                                               
water was reported  to DEC.  Therefore, he assumed  that the same                                                               
would  be true  for water  systems using  fluoride and  thus over                                                               
fluoridation would only last for a month.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHISTLER  informed  the  committee  that  water  testing  is                                                               
reported  monthly but  most of  the systems  are [tested]  daily.                                                               
Therefore, he didn't believe over  fluoridation would even last a                                                               
month.   He  opined  that  immediate action  would  occur if  the                                                               
fluoride level reached four parts per million or more.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:29:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  related  her  interest in  the  costs  of                                                               
dental   emergencies,  particularly   in   relation  to   Medivac                                                               
situations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHISTLER  suggested that such information  was available from                                                               
the  Eastern Aleutian  tribes who,  upon reviewing  their Medivac                                                               
services,  found  that adult  dental  emergencies  were the  most                                                               
frequent reasons for Medivacs into Anchorage.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA recalled  that perhaps she heard  it from a                                                               
tribe in Dutch Harbor.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:30:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OLSON moved to report HCR 5 out of committee with                                                                      
individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                   
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    

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